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Author Topic: Let's talk about MISTAKES!  (Read 2036 times)
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« on: June 04, 2006, 08:54:38 AM »

Man, I've been making a ton of them lately, I call it having 'black thumb'. I do mostly dip (immersion/vat) dye, and it's all too easy to splash one color onto another where it shouldn't be.

Let's share techniques for coping with mistakes ... overdyeing, discharging...changing your whole plan ... what do you do?  

In particular, I wonder if anyone has ideas for a scenario like this: I'm making a dress dipped in different colors



and while dipping fuschia, it splashes onto the yellow band. I've been wetting the splash immediately without a lot of success. Any other ideas for coping with this?
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2006, 06:03:53 AM »

My method for dealing with that particular issue is to cultivate acceptance.

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2006, 02:23:33 PM »

Paula, I like your method!  cheesy

Seriously, unless it is major, it is probably something you will see and nobody else will. Remember, tie dye (and dip dye) are organic and free flowing forms.

take it easy


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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2006, 01:09:41 PM »

Man have I learned not to be a perfectionist!
 I sold one today that I had to fix as I was learning to do hearts. I over did it with the red and it lost shape so I went back with purple and re-outlined the heart shape but I THOUGHT it was hideous and was thinking about donationg it to the Salvation Army if I got short on space....today I sold it to someone who loved it! I got full price and everything cheesy  
I usually flood the area with the 'real' colour and dab with a paper towel. Then I move on to the next project and try to learn from it wink
I find it incredibly hard to not be sloppy, try to keep you cool Cool
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2006, 09:02:48 PM »

I have two shirts with problems stemming from mistakes with Black.  I'd love to hear any ideas about these:

I'm making a batch of 6 shirts for a stained glass artist, all different, using black.

1.  This shirt has an Earth on the upper left 1/4th of the shirt, with yellow and black fire ringing it.  But I dropped 2 big drips of black way down in a "not very firey looking" place on the shirt.  Its like 2 totally out-of-place polka dots-- as if Prada colided with Global Warming.  
     (Um, my only thoughts have been.... adding a whole universe via hand-painting Jupiters and Saturns and meteors?  Or using bleach on the dot and then figuring out what to do next?)

2.  Great shirt-- only, the black has a murkey 1/2 inch ghost around it everywhere it is applied on this one.  What causes ghosts?  How do you fix them?  (I don't usually use Synthrapol, and have washed this shirt twice since Soda Ash.  Is it too late to try Synthrapol?)

Thanks- and I'm so happy to find y'all!  Kathy T in Oklahoma
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2006, 05:16:18 PM »

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2.  Great shirt-- only, the black has a murkey 1/2 inch ghost around it everywhere it is applied on this one.  What causes ghosts?  How do you fix them?  

One possible cause is the fact that every Procion MX type black is a mixture of different colors. There just isn't a single-hue black in the Procion MX line, (See Which Procion MX colors are pure, and which mixtures?.) This means that black tends to produce halos of other colors. If you can't stand this, you can substitute a different black fiber reactive dye, a Remazol black, which is sold by PRO Chemical & Dye as Liquid Reactive Dye Black LR604, and by Jacquard as their Red Label Black B, and also as Dylon Permanent black dye. It does not separate into colors.

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(I don't usually use Synthrapol, and have washed this shirt twice since Soda Ash.  Is it too late to try Synthrapol?)

Try washing in the hottest water available to see if what you have is just staining. If it's due to dye color separation, nothing can remove it without destroying the rest of the dye job. Synthrapol probably won't do anything that very hot water will not do.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2006, 08:05:35 PM »

I also have black problems....I seem to have alot of red or fuchsia  dots which I think is from not mixing enough but it just doesn't go good on a 'manly' colored shirt to have weird fuchsia dots! Also no matter what I do my whites turn gray unless I separate the black stuff in the wash (and I use synthrapol) My only solution is...use less black or don blacks in one batch to wash separately but the the whites are still dingey gray...
Is the procedure for using the liquid reactive 'Remazol' dye the same?
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2006, 02:58:40 AM »

I have pretty much converted to screening all my dyes because of the 'dot' problem you mentioned.  I never used to have problems with fuschia until last year, then it showed up in some  shirts I had scrunched with black.  I put the toe of an old knee high over the receptacle I am using to hold the dye, then pour the mixed dye thru the sock.  When I have poured all the dye through, I gently squeeze the sock to get as much of the accumulated dye into the receptacle.  Then I rinse the sock really well to reuse.  I haven't had the 'dotting' problem since.  It is worth the extra few seconds to ensure I don't have a disaster that can't be undone.

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2006, 03:42:37 AM »

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I also have black problems....I seem to have alot of red or fuchsia  dots which I think is from not mixing enough but it just doesn't go good on a 'manly' colored shirt to have weird fuchsia dots!

The infamous red dot problem. Consider switching where you buy your mixed colors from. Some suppliers are more careless than others in deciding whether a given batch of fuchsia is good enough for mixing different colors from.
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 Also no matter what I do my whites turn gray unless I separate the black stuff in the wash (and I use synthrapol) My only solution is...use less black or don blacks in one batch to wash separately but the the whites are still dingey gray...

This can be 100% solved by the correct washing procedure. I always wash my blacks with whites, and never have bleeding. My whites stay white. It's one of the things I love about fiber reactive dyes such as Procion MX dyes. I never have to sort my laundry by color!

First, something I consider important, but not all tie-dyers agree with, you have to have a single wash or rinse with cool water, to remove all auxilliary chemicals and salt before you use heat. I cut off the rubber bands or string with blunt-ended scissors right at the washing machine and drop them straight into an already-full washing machine of cool water, or you can hose them out thoroughly outside before you bring them in, or use the sink. You can use Synthrapol in this first wash, but no other detergent.

Then, you should wash your clothing two or three times, with detergent (preferably Synthrapol, but other detergents will do the job) in HOT water, 140°F (60° C) or higher. To save on hot water, you can leave them to soak for a while in the hot water. The True Tie Dye video actually recommends that you turn up your water heater to do this, though of course they also warn of the increased dangers of household scald injuries while the water heater's turned up. I have to actually turn off the cold wate faucet to my washing machine, because, inexplicably, it adds cool water in with the hot water when I do a hot water wash. Then I turn it back on for the rinse cycle.

Cool water is just too inefficient at washing out excess reactive dye. If you are dyeing fabric that cannot tolerate HOT water washing, then you may have to treat it differently for a long time, sorting your laundry carefully by color, because it takes so many more washes to get out all the unreacted excess dye. Another issue is that you should not dye fabric that has been sized with starch. The starch will react with the dye, then very gradually wash out, giving the appearance of non-washfast dye, even if the part of the dye that actually reacted with the fabric is perfectly fine. You can test for the presense of starch by putting a drop of iodine on the (undyed) fabric; if it turns blue, your fabric is full of starch. Not a problem with PFD clothing, nor with most t-shirts, though.

There's a test for whether you've washed the excess dye out well enough. This is very important for quilters! You can take a piece of your fabric that you want to test and get it wet, then use a hot iron to press it dry btween two white cotton cloths. If any dye transfers, you'd better wash the fabric again in hot water.

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Is the procedure for using the liquid reactive 'Remazol' dye the same?

Yes, pretty much. It needs a high pH to react with the fabric, provided by soda ash. It cannot tolerate a cool studio and must be kept in a warm place to react. I'm still experimenting with it, but I really like it. Another thing about the Remazol dyes is that they are supposed to discharge to white. When you bleach Procion MX dyes, some refuse to change color at all, or turn a weird completely different color. Remazol dyes should bleach out beautifully, handy if you want to make white designs this way.

Paula
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 04:23:48 AM »

I usually get mad if I see too much of white - not covered by any dye.

It usually happens when I'm lazy to mix some more dye, when there's only small amount that probably won't be enough.
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