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Author Topic: Making rust brown more rusty brown  (Read 1457 times)
lwemmer
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« on: August 17, 2006, 06:10:48 AM »

Hi, newbie here. I just got some rust brown from dharma and it looks really more like a darkish red on my dyed cotton shirt--- very different from the color shown in the catalog. My question for you experts is what should I add to it to make it more rusty and more brown? The colors I have on hand potentially to mix with are (all dharma procion) are camel, bright yellow, soft orange, dark brown.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 06:57:03 AM »

Hi, newbie here. I just got some rust brown from dharma and it looks really more like a darkish red on my dyed cotton shirt--- very different from the color shown in the catalog. My question for you experts is what should I add to it to make it more rusty and more brown? The colors I have on hand potentially to mix with are (all dharma procion) are camel, bright yellow, soft orange, dark brown.

Browns are the colors you obtain by mixing complementary opposites - i.e., by adding navy to orange, or purple to yellow, or red to green (or the other way around - green to red, yellow to purple, or orange to blue).

If you have a dark red which you wish to turn into a brown, you need to add some green to it, or some blue AND some yellow. Adding some yellow will turn it to a dark orange; adding some blue will then turn it brown. Doing it in the opposite order, if you add blue to your dark red, you'll get a dark purple; adding yellow to that purple will then make a brown. A rusty brown contains a little more orange than blue. I don't think any of those premixed colors you purchased at Dharma are going to make the change you want, because none of them contains any blue to speak of.  Dark brown is the only one of your list that contains any significant amount of blue in the mixture. Overdyeing your dark red with dark brown should help some.

I like to use the twenty or so unmixed single-hue Procion MX type dyes for mixing, because then you really know what you have. It's also very nice that it is possible, by using unmixed single-hue dye colors, to get truer and brighter colors than by mixing those premixed colors. Of course you can always add in complementary colors to get softer, more "natural" looking colors. Note that there is no such thing as a single-dye green in the Procion MX line; you must mix yellow and blue, or yellow and black (black mixtures usually contain a lot of blue), to get green.

On my web site I maintain a chart with all of the commercially available unmixed single-hue Procion MX type dyes, along with their names and catalog numbers at each of the more major dye retailers. Look at this page:

Which Procion MX colors are pure, and which mixtures?

To start with, I would advise you to get some turquoise (turquoise MX-G), some magenta (red MX-5B, sold as "light red" at Dharma), and a pure light yellow (yellow MX-8G, sold as "lemon yellow" at Dharma). These are the most useful mixing primaries in the Procion MX line of dyes and can be used to adjust any dye mixture to be closer to the color you want. I think it is important to also get a navy, such as the blue MX-2G that Dharma sells as "cobalt blue", and some orange, but you already have some orange MX dye mixtures.

A number of people have observed that dye mixtures purchased from Dharma which include fuchsia (red MX-8B) in their mixtures, such as their "bright yellow" and probably both of the browns you bought from them, sometimes tend to produce little red dots on the fabric, when the fuchsia fails to dissolve completely. I prefer to avoid purchasing dye mixtures from Dharma that might contain fuchsia. Some other suppliers tend to sell more reliable mixtures that do not require as much straining and filtering after they are dissolved. I do not know of any problems with the non-fuchsia unmixed MX dyes from Dharma, though, and it doesn't matter at all if whatever you're working on looks okay with tiny red dots. It's more of a problem when you are dyeing solid colors than when tie-dyeing or doing low water immersion dyeing.

Paula
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 02:07:15 PM »

Paula,
I never would have thought to add blue or green to the mix, so that just shows how inexperienced I am at this art stuff! grin

I do have turquoise on hand also sky blue, aquamarine, and yucca. Should I try a few teaspoons of one of these? I am absolutely at a loss to even know where to start to adjust this. Tiny red dots is the least of my worries, at this point, lol. I guess I need to experiment but I don't want to waste much of my precious dye.

Many thanks of the recommendations for the pure colors to get. Next time I order I will definitely purchase some of those.

Lauren 
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2006, 02:41:38 AM »

Mixing Browns can be a bear! You might want to saunter over to Prochem as they have a much wider assortment of hues. Their Rust Brown is much nicer than the dharma/jacquard. Here's a post with a swatch:

http://itiedye.com/smf/index.php/topic,50.0.html

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2006, 08:48:39 AM »

I do have turquoise on hand also sky blue, aquamarine, and yucca. Should I try a few teaspoons of one of these?

The yucca mixture looks like kind of a sage green on your supplier's site. That ought to help make your dark red look more brown. The hard part now is knowing how much to use. You want to use considerably less than you used of the dye that produced the dark red, certainly. Other than that, it's total guesswork, I'm afraid.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2006, 02:25:11 PM »

I was also dissapointed by a 'rust' I got from my canadian supplier. It was pale and not at all reddish. Now I mix 2 parts rust, 1 part red and 1 part brown for what's closer to my idea of rust. I only bought it because my home-mixes were SO aweful rolleyes
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2006, 03:43:39 AM »

I have been using Dharma's Rust Brown lately, and have had good results:

After having a few disasters, I have learned to add more than the recommended amount of dye powder, to deepen the color.  The example above has rust brown, chocolate brown, camel, periwinkle and turquoise.
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