Hello, Whats the best way to do this?

[Legion]

Newbie here...

Been reading the forums..

But, being a newbie i got alittle confussed..lol

I've done a couple standard swirl tie-dyes, but i perfer black shirts over white..

So first question..
How do i do a swirl tie-dye where all the undyed parts of the shirts are black?

Do i take a white shirt and dye the swirl and THEN dye it black also? wouldn't this dye the parts i just did also though?

or do i take a BLACK shirt and tie it up and then bleach it out, and then dye the swirl?

Second question..

I want to take a black shirt and bleach out designs/words like this..



did a test shirt already.. bleached it pretty well.. so i believe the dye would look good on it.. but how do i dye it to look like..



do i just take the black-bleached shirt and swirl it like normal and then dye the swirl like normal? would the colors show on a black shirt?

Basicly want to be able to see that its a swirl where it goes through the bleached parts of the designs/words. but DON'T want to see the colors on the black parts of the shirt..

Please explain to the newbie!

[Legion]

Its a little slow here.... hehe

[tiedyejudy]

So first question..
How do i do a swirl tie-dye where all the undyed parts of the shirts are black?

Do i take a white shirt and dye the swirl and THEN dye it black also? wouldn't this dye the parts i just did also though?

or do i take a BLACK shirt and tie it up and then bleach it out, and then dye the swirl?

You can do it either way.  You will get a better black if you discharge a black shirt then dye the swirl.  This is a multi-step process:
 1)  Tie the swirl
 2) Discharge using a bleach/water solution
 3) Rinse in sodium thisulfate (sp?) or Bleach-stop (Dharma Trading's name). 
 4) Soak in soda ash solution - I usually soak for about 15 minutes, then squeeze out excess solution and air dry for awhile
 5) Apply your dyes, batch, rinse, wash in hot water with synthrapol

If you don't want to go thru the discharge method, then just tie, soak in soda ash as above, apply the colors on both sides of shirt, then using thickened black dye mixed to the fullest strength, apply to the top of folds using a foam brush.  Do not apply into the folds.  Batch as usual.
Hope this helps!

Judy       

[2D4]

Legion,

OK....just a thought...

You could....(to get the crisp edges of your design),
have someone screen print your design with discharge paste on a
black shirt (or do it yourself if you have the capability).
Draw in your design, carefully paint in diharge paste or a bleach solution some with some
kind of bleach thickener. Stop, wash, then soda ash the shirt and paint
in a representation of a spiral with thickened dye.

I've tie dyed a spiral over a discharged area
on a much simpler shape. But, if you do that you
will get overlapping of dye on the black. Not real noticeable
but it's there.


Jo

[Legion]

You can do it either way.  You will get a better black if you discharge a black shirt then dye the swirl.  This is a multi-step process:
 1)  Tie the swirl
 2) Discharge using a bleach/water solution
 3) Rinse in sodium thisulfate (sp?) or Bleach-stop (Dharma Trading's name). 
 4) Soak in soda ash solution - I usually soak for about 15 minutes, then squeeze out excess solution and air dry for awhile
 5) Apply your dyes, batch, rinse, wash in hot water with synthrapol

If you don't want to go thru the discharge method, then just tie, soak in soda ash as above, apply the colors on both sides of shirt, then using thickened black dye mixed to the fullest strength, apply to the top of folds using a foam brush.  Do not apply into the folds.  Batch as usual.
Hope this helps!

Judy       

First, Thanks for the replys!

I think i would rather do the black shirt and discharge, (that way the part thats normally white in the folds would remain black) just one more question about that.. Would i put the discharge in a squeze bottle and then apply like i would the dye?(without squirting into the folds.)
or would i dunk the whole tied swirl into a discharge bath? (I think that would discharge to much in the folds?)

[Legion]

Legion,

OK....just a thought...

You could....(to get the crisp edges of your design),
have someone screen print your design with discharge paste on a
black shirt (or do it yourself if you have the capability).
Draw in your design, carefully paint in diharge paste or a bleach solution some with some
kind of bleach thickener. Stop, wash, then soda ash the shirt and paint
in a representation of a spiral with thickened dye.

I've tie dyed a spiral over a discharged area
on a much simpler shape. But, if you do that you
will get overlapping of dye on the black. Not real noticeable
but it's there.


Jo

Thanks for your reply also!

Yes, i was thinking the other colors would overlay the black and give it a wierd discoloring to the black. (and not in a good way..lol)

I'll have to try the thickened dye and apply it in a "fake" swirl i guess and see how it turns out...

[Jaja]

If you're going to discharge black - do some test on inner side that it is going to discharge to white/ivory and not to brownish yellow.
Here is common practice to discharge with bleach mist sprayed over the plastic stencil (cut out of piece of black pond-liner or adhesive plastic wall paper). I know that bleach mist is not anything healthy, but if you take appropriate measures, you can minimize risks.
Or you can use for application lightly dampened kitchen sponge (do wear gloves!)
Important hints: 1) Insert some water-proof layer inside t-shirt so the bleach won't get to the other side
2) cover all areas outside stencil with plastic bags so the bleach won't get to undesired place - and remove them carefully after spraying.

[tiedyejudy]

Would i put the discharge in a squeze bottle and then apply like i would the dye?(without squirting into the folds.)
or would i dunk the whole tied swirl into a discharge bath? (I think that would discharge to much in the folds?)

I usually apply the bleach water with a squeeze bottle just to the area I want discharged.  In the case of the swirl, you want the outer edges of the folds to remain black, right?  That makes it a little more difficult.  You would need to try and apply it to the inner areas, not the outer folds, using your bottle tip to get the bleach in.  Another method I have used to get a crisp look is to apply discharge paste to a flat shirt where I have drawn a design.  You could try replicating a swirl design, then paint on the paste, let it dry and set it using a steam iron.  Then you would paint the discharged area using thickened dyes.   All sorts of possibilities!

Judy

[Legion]

I have seen the bleach mist over a stensil, looks interesting and may try that on another idea..

Judy, the black swirl, i think i want the inner folds to remain black, basicly the parts in the folds that are normally white. (cause the dye doesn't get to it)
Maybe tie the swirl and then take a sponge soaked in bleach and pat the front and back to discharge the outer parts of the fold?

Like this..

[Jaja]

You can do it the way you describe - just keep the folds in place during washing out the bleach and neutralizing would be little bit trickier.
You'll get something like this: