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« on: March 02, 2006, 11:51:33 AM »

Here's a few brown swatches created via the Salsa Jar Dyeing process>



Left to right: Pro Rust Brown, Jac Brown Rose, Pro Havana Brown, Jac Chocolate Brown, Pro Chocolate Brown

I love my browns! I think they are seriously under-rated.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2006, 08:01:30 AM »

The Havana Brown looks quite greenish to me? Is that an accurate representation of the color? If so, I will have to get some - I love it. Steve, I agree with you about the browns. Earth tones are awesome!

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2006, 08:11:35 AM »

It's pretty accurate--I think I should have added a bit of saturation, but the colors are right on and illuminated by natural sunlight. Kinda like a dried tobacco leaf.

A really neat color!

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2007, 01:12:04 AM »

I love earth tones, especially browns.
I have some questions in regards to browns and blacks. I have been using Procion dyes and didn't think I needed black but I see now that I do. What is the best black to purchase?
OK, on the browns, The picture attached of the pants and shirt, I used RIT (before I came across this forum and discovered Dharma...thanks all)
A lot of my students love these pants and want me to make them in larger sizes.
The brown seeped into all the white areas during the rinse and wash cycle (as happens with all of my RIT dye jobs). I do like the effect and so do my students. How could I re-create this with procion dyes? Would I have to water down original brown and color in white areas after first rinse and wash or do I wash without synthrapol?
#3 Isn't it possible to create a full spectrum of browns by mixing dyes  instead of purchasing all shades of browns?
Also, what's the difference between Jacquard, ProChem and Procion? Can they be used together? Are there different mixing instructions?


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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2007, 07:23:18 AM »

what's the difference between Jacquard, ProChem and Procion? Can they be used together? Are there different mixing instructions?

Procion MX is the original manufacturer's brand name for the dichorotriazine type of fiber reactive dyes. There are other good kinds of fiber reactive dyes, as well, but the dichlorotriazines have the lowest warmth requirement (minimum of 70°F), and are the easiest type of dyes in this group to find in the US. You can use the same mixing instructions and recipes for any dye that is labeled Procion MX, regardless of where you buy it.

Jacquard and ProChem are two of the companies that sell Procion MX type dyes as well as other types of dyes. Jacquard sells directly only for jars of 8 ounces or larger in size, but they also sell their products through many other companies, such as the best local art supply stores, and by mail-order through Dharma Trading Company. Jacquard, Dharma, and ProChem all sell most of the unmixed single-hue Procion MX type dyes, and each of these three companies also sells their own proprietary mixtures, which are not the same as one another's. These three companies are in the US. See my web site for a listing of many different dye retailers, in the US and around the world.

To find out which of the dyes each company sells that are pure, unmixed, single-hue dyes, see my tables of Which Procion MX colors are pure, and which mixtures?. That page lists the catalog names and numbers of the individual unmixed Procion MX dyes for the larger retailers.

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I have some questions in regards to browns and blacks. I have been using Procion dyes and didn't think I needed black but I see now that I do. What is the best black to purchase?

All of the blacks and most of the browns available in the Procion MX dye series are mixtures. The only readily-available unmixed single-dye-color brown is Brown MX-GRN, a sort of terra-cotta color, almost more orange than brown, which is sold by ProChem as burnt orange and by Jacquard (Rupert Gibbon & Spider) as rust orange.

Among the blacks, for dyeing cotton, one of the colors I like is Procion MX-CWNA, which Dharma calls "New Black" and Jacquard calls Warm Black. The other blacks are nice, too. Different people have different preferences. In every case, you must use two to four times as much black dye powder as you would of any other color, or you will not get a true black. For dyeing silk, ProChem sells a mixture called "Silk Black", which will be blacker on silk than the various black mixtures that have been standardized on cotton.

You do not want to mix your own blacks unless you buy suitable dark, dull primaries to mix it from. You cannot mix a good black with the bright clear color primaries such as turquoise, lemon yellow, and fuchsia. You need to begin with a dark dull navy dye, and try adding a dull orange, say.

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The brown seeped into all the white areas during the rinse and wash cycle (as happens with all of my RIT dye jobs). I do like the effect and so do my students. How could I re-create this with procion dyes? Would I have to water down original brown and color in white areas after first rinse and wash or do I wash without synthrapol?

Washing without Synthrapol detergent will make no difference. Other detergents are similar in activity. Washing out too soon, before the dye has had a chance to completely react, might increase your backstaining, but it is unpredictable. I think you'd do best to consciously place watered-down browns where you want them, and intense browns where you want them.

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#3 Isn't it possible to create a full spectrum of browns by mixing dyes  instead of purchasing all shades of browns?

Yes, but you'll do better if you purchase a wider range of mixing primaries, rather than relying on only the top three bright clear colors used for most tie-dyeing. In addition to yellow, fuchsia, and turquoise, I recommend you buy some cobalt blue (Blue MX-2G), a golden yellow such as yellow MX-GR, yellow MX-3R, or yellow MX-3RA, an orange such as orange MX-2G, the brown MX-GRN if your supplier carries it, red MX-5B, and violet MX-2R (usually mislabeled as violet MX-G). Each of these is a single-hued mixing primary, but they will produce drastically different results than the basic three colors. Of course, you can always mix your own orange mixture from a bright yellow and a fuchsia, but the edges may end up yellow, due to the different properties of the fuchsia from the yellow, and it is more complicated. To find your supplier's name for each of these dyes, look again at my page of pure versus mixed Procion MX type dyes.

Buying premixed black dye is a major time-saver, and buying premixed browns can be fun, though the brown mixtures you can buy from one dye retailer will be different from any of the premixed browns you can buy from another. A good way to play with mixing dye colors online is to look at Olli Niemitalo's Dye Mixer Applet. Also look at published mixing tables, such as Jacquard's, Dreamline's, and Maiwa's.

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2007, 11:43:21 AM »

Paula, thank you sooooooooo much.  grin All that you wrote has really been very informative for me.
So I guess I'll be purchasing many variations on browns.
Now, maybe you can give me some excuses why I need these (for my hubby tongue)
Thanks again. I'll post the pants when I do the next sets.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2007, 02:21:19 PM »

I have some of Dharma's chocolate brown that I'm not too fond of. If anyone wants a sample of it, I'd be glad to mail some of it out. Private message me if you're interested.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 12:27:15 AM »

Fiber, what is it that you dislike about Dharma's chocolate brown? shocked

OK, what browns do you all like and from who?
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 11:58:16 AM »

It is way too red for me. It looks more like a rust color than it does chocolate. To me, chocolate would be like hershey's or ghiradelli, or godiva... not reddish. Even when I add green... it just doesn't tone it down. Lately, I've been mixing my own brown out of a golden yellow, midnight blue and fuschia.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 11:49:54 AM »

OK, I was a little bit over confident and now do not know how I messed up. Hope you can all help me out  huh
I tied up this top and yoga pants (over a hour to get the folds tied) and used Dharma's Dark Brown. The color saturated practically everything. The garments were not pre-soaked either, I sprayed them slightly damp. Is it just this color that spreads out?
A couple of questions hoping I can fix the mistakes.
I've never worked with discharge before. I want to but am a bit nervous. Can I re-tie and discharge the areas to clean them up?
If so, what should I use? And how do I do it? Do I squirt the discharge on like the tie dye? Can I use a very diluted bleach solution? And what can I use around the house to stop the bleach action? It takes two weeks for me to receive an order from Dharma. Looking to modify with what is in my house.
I wanted to fill the white areas with other colors. I don't know if I'm going about this the right way.
Do you first dye piece, let sit for 24 hours, rinse, wash, hang dry......
them soak in soda ash again or mix a soda ash/tie dye solution and squirt onto areas to be colored?
I'd appreciate any advice as I pay retail for my clothing. I guess I should play with scraps first  cry
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 03:20:34 PM »

You can use bleach, and neutralize it with hydrogen peroxide. Definately try it on scraps first, because too much bleach can ruin your fabric. You'll also want to be careful with bleach, because the smell is toxic. It's not something I'd recommend for using all the time, but it will work in a pinch.

For future use, I recommend getting some thiox. That stuff also stinks, and has to be used at a high temperature, but it is much gentler on the fabric, and you don't have to worry so much about going overboard with it.

As far as getting multiple colors on the same piece, usually I just squirt them all on... but some projects require a rinse and a second round of dyes (or discharge... or alternating rounds of dye then discharge, then dye...).  It really depends on what you're doing.

Again, I recommend that you get some scraps... that way, you can toss your inhibitions out the window... and then just play around until you get what you like.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2007, 02:03:33 AM »

Hi, Mishoga.  First off, I think your yoga set turned out great!  Probably not what you had in mind, but very attractive from my viewpoint.  I agree that if you want to try discharging, get some scraps first.  I played with bleach/water, bleach pen, discharge paste, thickened dye all on scraps to see how they worked.  I have recently been using dishwashing gel with bleach because it's readily available, already thickened, and cheap.  Plus, it's easy to wash out and it does a good job.  I have more contol than with bleach water.  When you can, you might want to also try Dharma's discharge paste for future projects.  You can paint it on, let it dry, then use a steam iron to remove the dye.  It usually dyes to a lighter shade than the dishwashing gel, which means any overdyeing will be clearer colors.  I just used the dishwashing gel to screen print a design on a purchased black shirt, and the result came out brick red.  When I screened discharge paste to an identical shirt,  the result came out light cream color.
Another option for your current set would be to overdye the whole set with a light blue such as turquoise or periwinkle.  It will darken the brown and give nice contrast in the resisted areas.
Have fun!

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2007, 12:25:08 PM »

OK, now this is a branch off of Browns but they go with browns.
How would you mix a mustard yellow and a rust/maroon?
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