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tiedyejudy
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« on: April 05, 2006, 03:13:54 AM »

I sold a pair of my LWI drawstring pants to a friend, who then asked if I could dye a tank top to match.  Rather than try to match a new piece to one previously dyed, I decided to dye 2 pieces together.  Trouble is, even though I used the same colors, the new items came out brighter than the original, which is nicely muted.  Here is the original:

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I have since tried overdyeing with more turquise and avocado to get the softer tones, but the dyes do not seem to be making any difference.  I'm wondering if it is because I don't have enough liquid in the bucket?  Is there a minimum amount of liquid required to get the dyes to take using LWI?  I was actually dyeing the pants and 2 tanks, and the last application I think I applied 5 cups of dye and about 1 1/2 cups of water.  Any suggestions?  I'm about ready to try direct application or start over!

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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 03:20:24 AM »

MX Dyes work by bonding to molecules of the fabric. Once the bonding potential of the molecules is "used up", there will be no more bonding of new colors (if I am not mistaken--and I'm trying to put it in simplest terms). Maybe this is what has happened.

I'll bet Paula can shed more light on this and give a better explaination!

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 03:33:21 AM »

Judy, I'm afraid that no one can tell you real difference without knowing many details from your working process. Even the way how you handle your LWI bucket can make difference.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 04:21:00 AM »

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I have since tried overdyeing with more turquise and avocado to get the softer tones, but the dyes do not seem to be making any difference.  I'm wondering if it is because I don't have enough liquid in the bucket?  Is there a minimum amount of liquid required to get the dyes to take using LWI?  I was actually dyeing the pants and 2 tanks, and the last application I think I applied 5 cups of dye and about 1 1/2 cups of water.  Any suggestions?  I'm about ready to try direct application or start over!

To get softer, lower-contrast tones, I'd try overdyeing with a duller color, instead of more turquoise and mixed green, and use a higher water ratio and more stirring to get the added color to be sort of smooth over everything, instead of intense in some places and not others. ProChem's Chino used to be the favorite for this back in the days before it was reformulated (when brown MX-5BR disappeared). It still might be the best choice, or whatever brown or grey seems best to you.

Cotton and rayon can usually be dyed several times (washing out between successive dyeings) before its dye sites get used up; the thinner the fabric, the fewer times you can redye it. I think this is probably not yet the issue in this case. Thin silks are where you normally run into the limitation of running out of dye sites.

I always have my fabric submerged, or nearly so, under the water by the time I've added all my dyes, extra water, and soda ash at the end, in LWI, even when I want strong contrasts. It sounds as though you use far less water even when you don't want so much contrast. If the garment is not submerged in water, it's more of a direct dye application situation than LWI. Not that there's anything wrong with direct dye application.

It's worth pointing out that the high-contrast version you've come up with looks quite nice. A little harder to wear than the muted version, though.

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 12:38:20 PM »

Good points, all of you!  I was not aware that there was a limit to the times I could over-dye.  And yes, I was probably using less liquid than I should have, but I was afraid to dilute the dyes too much.  And yes, Paula, I agree that the colors came out nice, and would even go with the coloring of the gal I am dyeing for.  It's just that she really liked the more muted version.  I'm frustrated that I haven't been able to replicate the colors yet, but I am tempted to try one more time, maybe trying a combination of gray and brown... what do you think?  The only 2 pre-mixed browns I have are dharma's chocolate brown and rust brown, both of which I used on my primary LWI batch.  Maybe adding some gray to the chocolate, in a light mix, might help.  

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